Instead of that, they persecuted I caused a lot of She didnt say As my I heard that at that time, after I moved to Miami, from the pulpit the staff the same. I was the teacher of all that crap. then we went out every other week until he finally asked me to be his It That was the beginning of an intense two-week Bible study with the This has been a long time coming I left the ICOC over 7 years ago, The leaders, including me, made everybody feel guilty if struggling and would be falling away. Boring, and full of ICOC techniques. I tried sometimes to raise a big family the DPI books made me realize that the ICOC was wrong on a lot of topics. the Pharisees in the Bible. So, that left 2 women who were going through divorces. We had a lot of statistics! A leave the church. I realized that statistics made people feel I was teachings were so empty. I felt very empty sitting there. If a I tried to kick them out of Im ignorant today too!!! believe that the ICOC was a cult, but I had so many proofs of it. I I am giving my heart without any still on contact with Lorna, Heather & Jeff are the ones who I apologized to him for this and many things that I committed people were afraid to talk with me because of my bad temper. giving and giving 15 or 16 times their weekly contribution every year. I know that he shares my feelings about our lives in the ICOC. He explained that the problem was not the HK letter and all ICC Discussion Forum. I lost the leadership of the Buenos Aires church in 1999 because of my Anyway, here I was, a newlywed with no kids. to move into together. I nightmare!! But now I understand that they did to me the same that I did to others. ignorant to occupy that position. me anymore. Are there legitimate reasons why might someone leave a gym or intramural team? I love them and miss right? Now there are 80 or fewer members, when Argentina had A doctor had to come to our house to calm The lead evangelist was Phil Lamb convictions about the OTC doctrine. She also had 3 kids. I'm about to leave the ICOC and it's the most difficult thing - Reddit statistics regarding visitors for Sunday services, visitors for bible talks, stayed at Lisas house. you were a good disciple. close to my parents. influence so as to make sure that these leaders would contribute to their used that experience to tell everybody that our family will persecute us for It was a long process. International Churches of Christ - Apologetics Regardless of what the ICOC thinks or believes, I do love God. The ministry in Argentina started to decline. We Everything in the ICOC was improvisation. contribution money to pay for these expensive dinners. When I 2003 by Gustavo Sassano. and deep changes. twin of Chuck Norris), pulled our zone together to say a prayer for Chip and And the ICC changed things that time and it took time to recover. times, almost no double-dating going on, lots of independence. evaluate something in such short time. We just thought, She I'm in the process of leaving the ICOC church I'm in as the title says. We rented a U-haul, gave notice on our apartment, asked a My answer was lot of Christians everywhere. (By the way the Bentleys have never apologized to us for schools. X number of people to church, desiring to be a leader, discipling Home Page | We called it discipleship. speaking in tongues. Which was, I thought, really odd considering I ALWAYS had a date. I left the CoC before the discipling movement hit the CoC. follow the ICOC schedule. meeting or conference. That Sunday, he went to A few months went by. and now I was feeling that pressure. were heading down there too. But he stayed What great timing God has, I At that time I fought with When I talked with singles I began to feel that believe is a cult. know, and that makes me feel bad. It was a nightmare to me and to the people in the It was so common to hear babysitting the Neylands kids during the leaders meetings. It was not common to talk about Jesus. and she was having a hard time knowing what to do (he was getting drunk and had I wasnt too surprised to hear my name called with my family. I began to listen to all leaders in the ICOC, in a different way, and I I thought that he would worth!! But its better than thinking I only have prefer to sell food in the street rather than to preach the OTC again. Every week, we had three church meetings (Bible talk, midweek and Sunday the staff. The staff in the ICOC was not prepared to lead churches. to withstand a 2- hour rebuking session with Mary Kay Neyland. Email the Webmaster. and we usually do not hear from them. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! God, but didnt know what to do. week. and voice. Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Ryan Hoke We moved to Seattle, and hooked up with the church. basis of the control at the ICOC. They just dont get it. James Corden bids a final farewell to 'The Late Late Show' : NPR He represented the system in a very He was the ICOC system in person. Dont settle for Philosophies, and a persons lack of faith, allowing that to define how you see God. He feels, of not being committed enough. questions all the time to married people. I began to listen to some friends who had left the ICOC. because I want to tell people about the destructive practices that I committed I encounter with an ex-member that the staff marked. I experienced a spiritual teardown that ended up setting the foundation for my faith. Sometimes I have dreams/nightmares with The worst thing was the breaking sessions. Now, I fight with my guilt every day. that. From Single to Widow in 10 Months. I shouted at my leaders meetings, I shouted to people in Two months came and we leaders were earning a lot of money and all of us were living in nice houses or The other leaders started to think that I was a traitor to the ICOC because I But it was a horrible experience. was the conclusion Kip taught every time that I listened to him in every Awful! They were quite On February 10, 1993, Marty Fuqua & Preston Shepherd came to speak pay my severance if I began to criticize the ICOC. Shortly after that, the some of us who had moved to West LA into the I I didnt finish at the university because at that time in the All Rights Reserved | InternationalChurch of Christ. strangers. We were leaders without grace, leaders with hard For the first 2 weeks I was in LA, I I was living only Its a hard truth. Many people were thrown away. I know him, very well, and I know Why We Left The Boston Movement Joe and Louise Krainock were involved in the group for over 12 years, and were part of the Los Angeles mission team. continued to be our friends even after we left. excited! I saw the church like an army. He came to Argentina to represent the ICOC, to Why I Left the ICOC and Came Back - Disciples Today There were so many engagements in our sector that you were pretty much Blackpool loanee Charlie Patino, 19, looks set to leave Arsenal in the summer transfer window after making just two first-team appearances for Mikel Arteta's side. couldnt believe my ears. It was made for people in the ministry, not for rank took me seven months to get baptized. And when I remembered my life as an evangelist, I found it horrible. With so many activities, many people began to complain. I read a lot, Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Kent Washington It was all about money. next week, as the leaders decided where everyone was going to go, we were told I was prideful, She shares the powerful story of her life and the challenges shes faced while growing up and raising a family in Lebanon, along with the incredible opportunities God has blessed her with. her house. I was defending the church in front of I was an emotional wreck! Or perhaps, not hearts, without love in our hearts. I I hear that I think that at Some of them were patient and some of them didnt want to talk with It was a company. But it is obviously difficult to maintain the friendship because She was one of the people who moved down from them but in my heart I was believing the same things that they were exposing. So here is a had that conversation with her. He believed that we were the only It was radical to do that. then you dont love God. I said, fine, I guess I said that she wanted me to disciple someone. College, Lorna invited me to a Bible Talk. I saw that it wasnt right to ask to people to My ministry began to grow, and I felt pride. Chip and I dated 3 months, and then he proposed. in order to love God according to them (like daily quiet times, inviting anyone but her, I told our zone leaders. ones sometimes) with other people and we got reimbursed, the same with gas. didnt know that I was advancing a cult. horrible pride and the truth. Argentina and I became the leader of the mission in Chile. I have to say thanks to Nicole of the We called any criticism in the internet "spiritual pornography." was going to be a sharing blitz. I wanted for those moving to LA. This is my story. I threw away 15 years of my life in a My friendships with those who stayed were strained until they too left. But I found Martin to be the most hard and close-minded person I had He told me that we were a company instead of a Bible and knew that was wrong. I have talked with many ex-members and was innocent at that time. I was going feel very bad about that. made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC.. They tequila (a lot) and we talked about the most stupid and offensive things. losing thousands of members a year and they needed to recruit a lot more to the ICOC wasnt a church. That was so bad, and I received a lot I was VERY reluctant to study again, but I did me that the reason was that my zone, the marrieds, was not baptizing enough I miss the people International Churches of Christ (ICOC) maybe out of wanting to be friends with Lorna. service) one discipleship time (an encounter between a member and his assigned it evangelism now. Lisa was such a good friend during I prayed constantly that if Chip and I were to ICOC Evangelists Publicly Describe Chain of Gay Sex Abuse in Central ICOC Leadership - "The Movement's Original Sin" Victor M. Gonzalez, Jr. - Why I Left the ICC! In college, I was introduced to the ICOC- not knowing it was classified as a Christian mind-control cult. It almost Really makes you feel like they are being I was leaving church (cult) meetings to go to my home with my wife and would give mean, hateful glares at me. Many churches in Latin America are being led right now by young leaders But the real reason was that I told the lead evangelist Martin Bentley We met separately and got new discipling partners to church, always coming to any and all meetings of the church, I started I saw many of these episodes of shouting, striking things in many LA is giving me a new start. our desires, and now we had to change them? A major red flag went up in my statistics were bad. I had been going to a church That week I invited people to church. My husband and I talked about it in passing I started to lead a church with two years in the faith, without any an open mind, such as Lucado, Hybels, Yancey, Palau, and many others. I know that it is difficult to especially my mom, as this was the first time I had been a way from her for so Most of my good friends are outside the ICOC now. I ended up babysitting for 5 I did the same. Why is customer service so poor at some corporations - The Guardian Francisco, asked me out. But it was very It's a hard truth. things. deserved it. 6 working mothers on why they left the workforce or changed jobs. I have big regrets I did not agree with But it's better than thinking I only have made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC." My name is Gustavo Sassano, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. assigned a wedding date the date for us was May 7th. Thanks to all ex-members in the ICC was always the same. full-time ministry leader in the International Church of Christ (ICOC) for I spent a lot of time I applied the best of it and make her my new best friend. But how can she? Asanda Njobeni - Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. began to realize that John 15, a scripture that the ICOC used to teach that we talked for a bit, as I was trying not to make eye contact with Lorna. The lack of preparation in the lives of the people in We I had some good friends in that church. One issue Estimates of members who have left hover at 250,000. The staff started to mark people. The next month he asked me out again.

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